Samsung Moment :: Difference Between ROM Vs Kernel?
Jun 9, 2010Sorry I'm new to all this root stuff, and was just wondering what is the difference between roms and kernels and stuff.

Sorry I'm new to all this root stuff, and was just wondering what is the difference between roms and kernels and stuff.
where I have got right now on my phone, which is:
1. I updated to stock 2.1 using the sprint update tool.
2. I followed the video tutorial to root the phone
3. then i used joey's page (http://www.joeyconway.com/sdx/custom/index.php) to install the his kernel (joeykrim-SDX-kernel v2.0.4 (includes root)).
I have done nothing else to the phone but this and removing a couple of bloatware apps (i checked the list of permitted deletions before i removed anything.) I have not installed a new recovery..at least i dont think that I did as part of one of the other operations I performed (as an aside, i am not really sure what the custom recovery is or what it is used for, so i didnt install it...i guess i need to read up more...)
So that is where I am..but i have a couple of questions.
1) i am now having issues with my wifi connection - the signal reception is very spotty in areas where i should have atleast 2 bars of reception, and the wifi often cuts out completely....Is there any know corellation between joey's kernel and this wifi issue? I have searched the forums and have found nothing that answers this.
2) Is there an easy way to get back to the stock kernel? I have read that i can get back to stock everything by using the sprint download center where I did my original 2.1 update. But is there a way to get back to just the stock kernel without wiping the phone?
Is there a difference between flashing a ROM, say DE03 with recovery 3.1.1, versus applying the ROM directly from SD Card? So far I have flashed the Moment by adding the DE03 3.1.1 Recovery ROM from the laptop's Samsung Moment binary folder. I wonder if I copied that to the root of the SD card, can I just flash it there anytime I want? The reason I want to do this is because it seems that it is suggested to flash back to stock prior to trying out a new ROM, and it would be faster to just load the ROM from SD card than hooking it up to the computer everytime to do this.
View 5 Replies View RelatedAfter looking high and low, I cannot for the life of me figure out why I cannot flash Joey's Vernal through the SW Updater. I have followed the instructions like it said at the SDX site, but when I remove the official 2.1 update from the binary folder and add his kernel, I cannot start download in the updater.
When I click start download at the end, It would give me the "Cannot open bin file" error. I've tried numerous times on 2 different computers (Windows XP & Windows 7). I'm lost at this point. Oh and I'm rooted "I think" because I'm able to see SDX at the top of the recovery screen. Just trying to apple this kernel and its driving me insane
Does the Source SDX kernel (joey's) require the phone to be rooted prior to installing?
Or, can the SW Updater be used with this kernel on an official (unrooted) 2.1 Moment?
If so, which version of the SW Updater can be used (and where do you get it)?
[Kernel - DE03] joeykrim-SDX - v0.5 - May 19th 2010
Joey had it out 5-6 hours after source was released this contains Numus' battery code and more.
when i try and download odin downloader it is saved and when i go to open it it says that "windows can not open this file" then it gives 2 options of use web service to find correct program and select a program from a list of installed programs. The file is downloaded as a .rar file if it matters. This also happens when i try to download the newest kernel.
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We can now do partial flashes with the CL14 SBL.... If you have not had the CL14 official update yet, you can follow these steps to get it:
Remember... THIS WILL PUT THE CL14 BOOTLOADER ON YOUR PHONE!
What you need:
Sprints Update Utility
1. Create a datatool back-up.
2. Download and install Sprints Update Utility found above.
3. Run the program (now called SWUpdater) and follow all the directions until it says "Flash Downloading Complete".
Once you have the official CL14 update on your phone, or if you already had it, and you would like to flash SDX/Joey's Kernel (and Max's Recovery), follow the steps below.
What you need:
CL14 official update
An SDX/Joey's Kernel
Max's Recovery
1. Create a datatool back-up... (Although you most likely wont need it if you are just flashing a kernel.... But JUST in case, you should create a datatool back-up if you aren't confident that you wont wipe your data!)
2. After downloading and installing Sprints Update Utility, go into the binary folder (C:Program FilesSamsung ElectronicsSWUpgradeModelsBinary) and move the CL14 file to a safe place, MAKE SURE IT IS NO LONGER IN THE BINARY FOLDER.
3. Find the Kernel you want to flash and put it in the binary folder.
Note: Now you should only have one file in the binary folder (the custom kernel). Also make sure that if the file you are putting into the binary folder says 7zip or winrar, extract it!! If you dont you will get the message "Cannot access bin folder!", and you will not be able to start the download.
4. On your desktop there should be a program named SWUpgrade. Run the program and follow all of the steps through the end. After every thing finishes successfully, you will end up with STOCK CL14, this includes the CL14 SBL, along with the custom kernel you put in the binary folder (you are root).
5. Double check that everything worked by going into Settings-About Phone, under BaseBand version you should see S:M900.8.0S.CL14, under Kernel version= 2.6.27 moment(at)momentdev, under Build number= Joey's name (or any other developer who's kernel you put in the binary folder).
6. Repeat steps 1-4, putting Max's recovery in the binary folder instead of the kernel.
7. You're all set.
(If you happen to want to flash one of Zefie's kernels, repeat steps 1-4 also.)
It wasn't a great thing to get the CL14 update before, because it was hard to obtain root. But now with Sprints Update Utility, and all the new kernels, we are able to get root with the CL14 SBL easily.
Don't know if anyone over here cares, but zefie over on SamsungMomentForum.com released a custom kernel with a bunch of fixes. Including a partial audio buffer fix, and a bunch of tweaks and optimizations. Also, persistent root so you can run a bunch of those programs on the market that require it. No WiFi tethering yet, but it is being worked on. Not sure if this includes the battery notification fix because I had already installed CL14 the other day and it's been working for me ever since. This was not difficult to install, once you have the software and drivers required, the update takes less than 30 seconds.
Here's a link:
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